Re: Sedna Venus Vesta cycle

The Lunar Planer is always a masterpiece, yet sometimes I have difficulty
with the mythology and concepts. This is especially true this month
( Jan 2009 ) when you are discussing Sedna and the feminine principle.

I understand the basic idea of what you are saying, but then it gets
confusing. When you say 'feminine principle,' I think of actual women.
I don't think of things like yin, receptive, demure, hidden, subtle...
In the Far East, would they say 'yin' or maybe use a metaphor?
Is there a western expression that is similar to what yin means?

The discussion seems to lean toward the plight of women. But the
Sedna myth sounds like it has to do with the experience of the long
seasons in the Arctic and the sorrow or sense of defeat that can go
with life in a harsh environment. It would be interesting to see if a
geographic view would bring something into the meaning of the myth.

Sedna - transmutation into goddess of the sea
http://www.rahoorkhuit.net/goddess/godd ... sedna.html

Northwest Coast art ( scroll horizontally )
http://www.arcticravengallery.com/f_northwest.html

Inuit sculpture
http://www.arcticravengallery.com/f_inuit.html

Inuit arts
http://www.snowgoose.on.ca/

Women in the western world do not seem to be oppressed. I mean
that in an honest and sincere way. Women are never without resources.
If they can't afford clothes off the rack, they'll sew their own. There
are far more women working in corporations than men. They always
have money for cosmetics. They plan and save for what they may
want. There are many examples of women being resourceful.

The sense of oppression comes in when a person lives in a tribal society
or in one with rigid standards. If women do not go along with anything
they don't like, they can still experience freedom within themselves.
The women's movement used the word oppression when they meant
that they were displeased with the way of living that people had come
to accept. There is a good percentage of women who didn't buy into
the women's movement. They had a wider perspective and a more
resourceful attitude, and they kept quiet about it.

Spiteful withdrawal can occur with boys as well as with girls. It depends
on circumstances.

The statement about making sexual healing the priority is brilliant.
That may be the energy system that gets confounded more than the
others. You may have noticed that there can be discord when needs
are not acknowledged or when facets of a person are undeveloped, for
example. There is more to it than just that. Though discord between
the sexes may be the norm, it may not be so true with people who are
more enlightened or well-travelled. An abusive nature can be seen in
women just as much as with men. It's just a different form of abuse.

toxic wife
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... -wife.html

When people talk about gender differences, relationship troubles, even
trouble just within a person, it looks like it might finally come down to
development. Was the early environment adequate for this person?
Were wild expectations refined with good sense? Did a person learn
a balanced perspective about living?

All good perspective.

Men and women lose out when women have to play the handmaiden role in society. It seems to me that patriarchal society became predominant with the 'one god, one Yahweh' idea that arose after many tribes had to leave their homelands because of climate change (desertification of Egypt 10,000 BC) and populations became too big for the fragile climate of northern Africa, and the middle east, leading to invasion of traditional lands. Previous multitheism of gods and goddesses was abandoned, as though to blame for the misfortunes of the social conditions, round about one millennium BC, at least among the Israelites. The Egyptians were also very resistant to women being in power. Male strength, associated with warfare, has been the dominant paradigm for at least 3000 years. What a loss to the evolution of humanity. Men and women encouraged to owe allegiance to a predominantly male hierarchy, because of a view that this was the only way to ensure tribal survival. This has resulted in many lopsided behaviours, such as men who were not enslaved having huge amounts of leisure, and the encouragement to participate, and therefore assuming superiority in civic matters, the arts and sciences. It is not about gender at all, it is about one social group being given the privileged and powerful positions in society. And the recent desecration of women in Africa and the middle east is because males in economically and environmentally stressed societies do not want to give up what they see as their one claim to power, based on gender.

Western society is at the very mild end of the scale, however ask any successful professional woman how excellent she had to be, and how much she had to give up to function alongside males as peers. And there are just as many women as men who do not want to change the status quo, as women have learned to manipulate males with power, as a compensation mechanism, the horrible 'power behind the throne' syndrome that is so destructive.

Sedna is about the fact the women's expression in the world has been sunk to the bottom of the ocean for a very long time. Sedna is about the deep reflection the collective female soul has undertaken, and the calculation of the risks that have to be taken to reinvent women as more than child bearers, domestic and agricultural workers, or privileged appendages to powerful men, to re-emerge from the ocean of collective conscious of thought, into the light of action, in the form of women's equal participation in the generation of socio economic prosperity, for both men and women. Sedna represents the emergence of a better global society, rather than a world perpetually ready to go to war at the behest of men and women equally, who want to hang on to an unequal, hierarchical status quo. Sedna equally speaks for the freedom of men, and a democratic world full of consciously evolving people, rather than a global society being hampered by men and women perpetually seeking power.